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678c

Clinias

Yes, that is most likely.

Athenian

For they all, I fancy, felt as it were still ringing in their ears a dread of going down from the highlands to the plains.

Clinias

Of course.

Athenian

And because there were so few of them round about in those days, were they not delighted to see one another, but for the fact that means of transport, whereby they might visit one another by sea or land, had practically all perished along with the arts? Hence intercourse, I imagine, was not very easy. 678dFor iron and bronze and all the metals in the mines had been flooded and had disappeared; so that it was extremely difficult to extract fresh metal; and there was a dearth, in consequence, of felled timber. For even if there happened to be some few tools still left somewhere on the mountains, these were soon worn out, and they could not be replaced by others until men had rediscovered the art of metal-working.

Clinias

They could not.

Athenian

Now, how many generations, do we suppose, had passed before this took place? 678e

Clinias

A great many, evidently.

Athenian

And during all this period, or even longer, all the arts that require iron and bronze and all such metals must have remained in abeyance?

Clinias

Of course.

Athenian

Moreover, civil strife and war also disappeared during that time, and that for many reasons.

Clinias

How so?

Athenian

In the first place, owing to their desolate state, they were kindly disposed and friendly towards one another; and secondly, they had no need to quarrel about food. 679aFor they had no lack of flocks and herds (except perhaps some of them at the outset), and in that age these were what men mostly lived on: thus they were well supplied with milk and meat, and they procured further supplies of food, both excellent and plentiful, by hunting. They were also well furnished with clothing and coverlets and houses, and with vessels for cooking and other kinds; for no iron is required for the arts of moulding and weaving, 679bwhich two arts God gave to men to furnish them with all these necessaries, in order that the human race might have means of sprouting and increase whenever it should fall into such a state of distress. Consequently, they were not excessively poor, nor were they constrained by stress of poverty to quarrel one with another; and, on the other hand, since they were without gold and silver, they could never have become rich. Now a community which has no communion with either poverty or wealth is generally the one in which the noblest characters will be formed; 679cfor in it there is no place for the growth of insolence and injustice, of rivalries and jealousies. So these men were good, both for these reasons and because of their simple-mindedness, as it is called; for, being simple-minded, when they heard things called bad or good, they took what was said for gospel-truth and believed it. For none of them had the shrewdness of the modern man to suspect a falsehood; but they accepted as true the statements made about gods and men, and ordered their lives by them. Thus they were entirely of the character we have just described. 679d

Clinias

Certainly Megillus and I quite agree with what you say.

Athenian

And shall we not say that people living in this fashion for many generations were bound to be unskilled, as compared with either the antediluvians or the men of today, and ignorant of arts in general and especially of the arts of war as now practised by land and sea, including those warlike arts which, disguised under the names of law-suits and factions, are peculiar to cities, contrived as they are with every device of word and deed to inflict mutual hurt and injury; 679eand that they were also more simple and brave and temperate, and in all ways more righteous? And the cause of this state of things we have already explained.

Clinias

Quite true.

Athenian

We must bear in mind that the whole purpose of what we have said and of what we are going to say next is this,—that we may understand 680awhat possible need of laws the men of that time had, and who their lawgiver was.

Clinias

Excellent.

Athenian

Shall we suppose that those men had no need of lawgivers, and that in those days it was not as yet usual to have such a thing? For those born in that age of the world's history did not as yet possess the art of writing, but lived by following custom and what is called patriarchal law.

Clinias

That is certainly probable.

Athenian

But this already amounts to a kind of government.

Clinias

What kind? 680b

Athenian

Everybody, I believe, gives the name of “headship” to the government which then existed,—and it still continues to exist to-day among both Greeks and barbarians in many quarters. note And, of course, Homer mentions its existence in connection with the household system of the Cyclopes, where he says— No halls of council and no laws are theirs,
But within hollow caves on mountain heights
Aloft they dwell, each making his own law.



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