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893dto small and great proportionally, altering in proportion its own quantity; whereby it functions as the source of all such marvels as result from its supplying great and small circles simultaneously with harmonizing rates of slow and fast speeds—a condition of things that one might suppose to be impossible.” “Quite true.” “And by things moving in several places you seem to me to mean all things that move by locomotion, continually passing from one spot to another, and sometimes resting 893eon one axis note and sometimes, by revolving, on several axes. And whenever one such object meets another, if the other is at rest, the moving object is split up; but if they collide with others moving to meet them from an opposite direction, they form a combination which is midway between the two.” “Yes, I affirm that these things are so, just as you describe.” “Further, things increase when combined and decrease when separated in all cases where the regular constitution note of each persists; but if this does not remain, then both these conditions cause them to perish. And what is the condition which must occur 894ain everything to bring about generation? Obviously whenever a starting-principle receiving increase comes to the second change, and from this to the next, and on coming to the third admits of perception by percipients. note Everything comes into being by this process of change and alteration; and a thing is really existent whenever it remains fixed, but when it changes into another constitution it is utterly destroyed.” Have we now, my friends, mentioned all the forms of motion, capable of numerical classification, note 894bsave only two?

Clinias

What two?

Athenian

Those, my good sir, for the sake of which, one may say, the whole of our present enquiry was undertaken.

Clinias

Explain more clearly.

Athenian

It was undertaken, was it not, for the sake of soul?

Clinias

Certainly.

Athenian

As one of the two let us count that motion which is always able to move other things, but unable to move itself; and that motion which always is able to move both itself and other things,—by way of combination and separation, of increase and decrease, of generation and corruption,—let us count as another separate unit 894cin the total number of motions.

Clinias

Be it so.

Athenian

Thus we shall reckon as ninth on the list that motion which always moves another object and is moved by another; while that motion which moves both itself and another, and which is harmoniously adapted to all forms of action and passion, and is termed the real change and motion of all that really exists,—it, I presume, we shall call the tenth. 894d

Clinias

Most certainly.

Athenian

Of our total of ten motions, which shall we most correctly adjudge to be the most powerful of all and excelling in effectiveness?

Clinias

We are bound to affirm that the motion which is able to move itself excels infinitely, and that all the rest come after it.

Athenian

Well said. Must we, then, alter one or two of the wrong statements we have now made?

Clinias

Which do you mean?

Athenian

Our statement about the tenth seems wrong.

Clinias

How?

Athenian

Logically it is first in point of origin and power; and the next one is second to it, 894ealthough we absurdly called it ninth a moment ago.

Clinias

What do you mean?

Athenian

This: when we find one thing changing another, and this in turn another, and so on,—of these things shall we ever find one that is the prime cause of change? How will a thing that is moved by another ever be itself the first of the things that cause change? It is impossible. But when a thing that has moved itself changes another thing, and that other a third, and the motion thus spreads progressively through thousands upon thousands of things, 895awill the primary source of all their motions be anything else than the movement of that which has moved itself?

Clinias

Excellently put, and we must assent to your argument.

Athenian

Further, let us question and answer ourselves thus:—Supposing that the Whole of things were to unite and stand still,—as most of these thinkers note venture to maintain,—which of the motions mentioned would necessarily arise in it first? That motion, of course, which is self-moving; for it will never be shifted beforehand by another thing, 895bsince no shifting force exists in things beforehand. Therefore we shall assert that inasmuch as the self-moving motion is the starting-point of all motions and the first to arise in things at rest and to exist in things in motion, it is of necessity the most ancient and potent change of all, while the motion which is altered by another thing and itself moves others comes second.

Clinias

Most true.

Athenian

Now that we have come to this point in our discourse, 895chere is a question we may answer.

Clinias

What is it?

Athenian

If we should see that this motion had arisen in a thing of earth or water or fire, whether separate or in combination, what condition should we say exists in such a thing?

Clinias

What you ask me is, whether we are to speak of a thing as “alive” when it moves itself?

Athenian

Yes.

Clinias

It is alive, to be sure.

Athenian

Well then, when we see soul in things, must we not equally agree that they are alive?

Clinias

We must.



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